
“Ma'am… What you are paying will barely cover your interest."
Those were the words that the customer service rep at Sallie Mae told me over the phone. I could hear it in her voice that I was setting myself up for failure.
However, I just needed to make sure I was not one of the many post-college adults on their weekly hit list due to my mounting student loan debt with them. You know, the list where they call you weekly for their money, and if you're really behind, DAILY.
I'll be honest.
When I was in college, I did not think about paying back my student loans. I did know that I had borrowed money, but at the time, I did not understand interest rates, or what it meant to have subsidized and unsubsidized loans. I just knew that I was going to college and because my scholarships didn't cover all of my needs, I needed to take out an additional loan.
After graduation, I knew I had six months of freedom before Sallie Mae would hit me up. Oh, and when she did, SHE was ready.
She had all her dollars and cents together and wanted to know how I was going to give it to her. After researching more about paying loans, I learned that it takes the average person 10 years to pay off their student loans.
TEN YEARS??!!
This is of course if they have a stable, well-paying job, no other debts, and I guess…no kids.
Fast forward to a few years later, I meet the love of my life, got married, and Sallie Mae becomes Navient (new name, same devil).
My husband and I both decided to take Dave Ramsey's Financial Peace course before we got married, because we both had debt and wanted to get serious about paying it off. After we tied the knot, my husband and I started tackling small debts. By this time, we both were in good, middle class jobs and seeing as we both wanted to be free from our lenders, we jumped in head first tackling them.
I'll never forget December 31, 2014. I was writing out my goals for 2015, when I felt in my Spirit that I was leaving one goal off.
Everything that I had written down previously were goals that I KNEW I could take care of by myself. I did not have one goal that stretched my faith. At that moment, and for the rest of that night, the Lord really spoke to me about having a goal of paying off my student loans.
To me, this seemed utterly impossible to do in one or two years. Again, it takes the average person 10 years to pay off a loan. “God, are you sure about this?" I wondered.
That is when I remembered the message my pastor, Joel Sims, preached. 10 Years into 1. God can make what would need to happen in 10 years, take place in just one.
I decided to trust God, be obedient, and change my thinking.
So I wrote it down and got TO IT!
Every penny outside of utilities and essentials was used to pay down my student loans. I left a little play money for myself that could be used on food, clothes, or beauty. Since it was not much, I had to become resourceful. I stopped going to the beautician and found a family member to flat iron my hair at a lower rate. I stopped my monthly shopping habits (I LOVED shoes) and I learned how to do more beauty regimens myself. I packed my own lunch to avoid spending excessive money out. I rented movies at Redbox, instead of always going to the movie theater. Any way we could save money, we did it.
The only thing we didn't give up, was giving our tithes (something I definitely feel helped boost us in the right direction). A lot of DIY's and balancing checkbooks later, we were really seeing a dent in my student loans. I was soooo excited when I paid off the first of six loans I had. I felt like I was floating on air and could conquer the world. My husband was happy too!
We started to get excited because every time one was paid off, we started to see how much money we had left over. We were on a roll!
Finally, we paid off the last one, and I literally wanted to cry. I asked Navient to send me a letter in the mail showing I was PAID IN FULL. And when it came in the mail, y'all, I looked like Chester the Cat.
The biggest lesson I learned from paying off my student loan debt?
My God is a Mighty God.
What would have happened if I had thought that it was impossible? What would have happened if I would have talked myself out of my blessing? What would have happened if I had given up, because it made me uncomfortable?
Coupled with the grace of God and a handful of tips and tricks, my husband and I paid off close to $25,000 in student loan in less than two years! If you're interested in doing the same, here is how to begin:
- Understand what is a true necessity, and what is just a want.You need water, heat, electricity, and food in your fridge. You don't need a fill-in for your nails, to eat out with your friends at that expensive steak house, and you don't need to take a big trip this year. Find other economically friendly ways to serve as your fun outlet. You'll be surprised what you can do for under $50 or $25.
- Don't be concerned with what everyone else is doing. During this whole time of paying off debt, my husband and I did not go on a vacation. Sure, we wanted to go on one. We even had friends and family that were doing great things. But, we knew what our end goal was, and when you set a goal, stand by it. Honor and remember the promise you made to yourself. There is a rainbow at the end of the tunnel.
- Create an emergency fund. If you're single, Dave Ramsey says you should have $1000 saved up in an account. If you're married, $2000. That way, if anything comes up while you are paying off debt, it won't hurt or stop your progress. Don't worry, you can always build more, once you're debt free.
- BUDGET, BUDGET, BUDGET. You should know every penny coming in and out of your bank account. That way, you can know how much you can allocate to paying off debt, while still keeping the house running.
- TRUST IN GOD.Though I put it last, it is certainly not least. This endeavor requires BIG faith, but know that if He will lead you to it, he will lead you through it. My husband and I continued to give to the church in tithes, and found any way possible to be a blessing to others. We did not have all the answers, but we knew who did. Trust that and trust Him.
I'll be really real with you for a moment. I was around people who were going on amazing trips, buying luxury items, living it up, and enjoying their life. It was incredibly tempting to stray from my path from time to time because of what I saw. But, at the end of the day, I knew that to get to where I wanted, I would have to do some things I had never done. There is ALWAYS a temporary level of discomfort when going to the next level. There were a few unexpected expenses on the way. Our washer and dryer needed to be replaced, an unexpected bill, etc., but we stuck to our goal, refreshed ourselves on the FPU course we took, and kept moving.
If you want to get serious, you want to tackle your Goliath…get started right now! Hear my podcast episode dedicated to conquering your debts and Sallie Mae - “Throwing Them Deuces at Sallie Mae"
What are some steps you're taking to pay down your debts more efficiently and effectively? Let me know in the comments below!
Shaina is a singer-songwriter that creates songs and podcasts for young women, that are uplifting, inspiring, fun, or just the plain truth. Hear more from her at www.shainasonline.com and follow her podcast, Sisterly Love. Follow Shaina on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram: @ShainasOnline
Claudia Jordan, Demetria McKinney & Jill Marie Jones On 'Games Women Play' & Dating Over 40
What do you get when you mix unfiltered truths, high-stakes romance, and a few well-timed one-liners? You get Games Women Play—the sizzling new stage play by Je’Caryous Johnson that’s part relationship rollercoaster, part grown-woman group chat.
With a powerhouse cast that includes Claudia Jordan, Demetria McKinney, Jill Marie Jones, Carl Payne, Chico Bean, and Brian J. White, the play dives headfirst into the messy, hilarious, and heart-wrenching games people play for love, power, and peace of mind. And the women leading this story? They’re bringing their whole selves to the stage—and leaving nothing behind.
From Script to Spotlight
The road to Games Women Play started over 20 years ago—literally.
“This script was written 20 years ago,” Jill Marie Jones said with a smile. “It was originally called Men, Money & Gold Diggers, and I was in the film version. So when Je’Caryous called me to bring it to the stage, I was like, ‘Let’s go.’” Now reimagined for 2025, the play is updated with sharp dialogue and modern relationship dynamics that feel all too real.
Demetria McKinney, no stranger to Je’Caryous Johnson’s productions, jumped at the opportunity to join the cast once again. “This is my third time working with him,” she shared. “It was an opportunity to stretch. I’d never been directed by Carl Payne before, and the chance to work with talent I admire—Jill, Claudia, Chico—it was a no-brainer.”
Claudia Jordan joked that she originally saw the role as just another check. “I didn’t take it that seriously at first,” she admitted. “But this is my first full-on tour—and now I’ve got a whole new respect for how hard people work in theater. This ain’t easy.”
Modern Love, Stage Left
The play doesn’t hold back when it comes to the messier parts of love. One jaw-dropping moment comes when a live podcast proposal flips into a prenup bombshell—leaving the audience (and the characters) gasping.
Demetria broke it down with honesty. “People don’t ask the real questions when they date. Like, ‘Do you want kids? How do you feel about money?’ These convos aren’t happening, and then everyone’s confused. That moment in the play—it’s real. That happens all the time.”
Jill chimed in, noting how the play speaks to emotional disconnect. “We’re giving each other different tokens of love. Men might offer security and money. Women, we’re giving our hearts. But there’s a disconnect—and that’s where things fall apart.”
And then Claudia, of course, took it all the way there. “These men don’t even want to sign our prenups now!” she laughed. “They want to live the soft life, too. Wearing units, gloss, getting their brows done. We can’t have nothing! Y’all want to be like us? Then get a damn period and go through menopause.”
Dating Over 40: “You Better Come Correct”
When the conversation turned to real-life relationships, all three women lit up. Their experiences dating in their 40s and 50s have given them both clarity—and zero tolerance for games.
“I feel sexier than I’ve ever felt,” said Jill, who proudly turned 50 in January. “I say what I want. I mean what I say. I’m inside my woman, and I’m not apologizing for it.”
Demetria added that dating now comes with deeper self-awareness. “Anybody in my life is there because I want them there. I’ve worked hard to need nobody. But I’m open to love—as long as you keep doing what got me there in the first place.”
For Claudia, the bar is high—and the peace is priceless. “I’ve worked hard for my peace,” she said. “I’m not dating for food. I’m dating because I want to spend time with you. And honestly, if being with you isn’t better than being alone with my candles and fountains and cats? Then no thanks.”
Channeling Strength & Icon Status
Each actress brings something different to the play—but all of them deliver.
“I actually wish I could be messier on stage,” Claudia joked. “But I think about my grandmother—she was born in 1929, couldn’t even vote or buy a house without a man, and didn’t give a damn. She was fearless. That’s where my strength comes from.”
For Jill, the comparisons to her iconic Girlfriends character Toni Childs aren’t far off—but this role gave her a chance to dig deeper. “If you really understood Toni, you’d see how layered she was. And Paisley is the same—misunderstood, but strong. There’s more to her than people see at first glance.”
Demetria, who juggles singing and acting seamlessly, shared that live theater pushes her in a new way. “Every moment on stage counts. You can’t redo anything. It’s a different kind of love and discipline. You have to give the performance away—live, in the moment—and trust that it lands.”
Laughter, Lessons & Black Girl Gems
The show has plenty of laugh-out-loud moments—and the cast isn’t shy about who steals scenes.
“Chico Bean gets a lot of gasps and laughs,” Claudia said. “And Naomi Booker? Every scene she’s in—she’s hilarious.”
But the play isn’t just about humor. It leaves space for reflection—especially for Black women.
“I hope we get back to the foundation of love and communication,” said Demetria. “A lot of us are in protector mode. But that’s turned into survival mode. We’ve lost softness. We’ve lost connection.”
Claudia agreed. “We’re doing it all—but it’s not because we want to be strong all the time. It’s because we have to be. And I just want women to know: You can have peace, you can be soft. But stop bringing your old pain into new love. Don’t let past heartbreak build walls so high that the right person can’t climb over.”
Final Act: Pack the House
If there’s one thing this cast agrees on, it’s that this play isn’t just entertainment—it’s necessary.
“Atlanta is the Black entertainment hub,” Claudia said. “We need y’all to show up for this play. Support the arts. Support each other. Because when we pack the house, we make space for more stories like this.”
Games Women Play is more than a play—it’s a mirror. You’ll see yourself, your friends, your exes, and maybe even your next chapter. So get ready to laugh, reflect, and maybe even heal—because the games are on.
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Be Careful. Those Casual Friendships Can Be Red Flags Too.
A couple of weeks ago, I was listening to someone vent about an area of frustration that they couldn’t seem to get to the root of — why they keep getting taken advantage of by certain individuals. When you’ve been a life coach for as long as I have (and you were a journalist before that), you learn how to ask certain questions that can cause people to consider things that they may never have before.
So, when I asked her, “What is the common thread with all of those folks? And sit still for two minutes before answering,” when she finally heard her own self speak, her eyes got wide and her mouth dropped open: “They’re all people who I’m not really sure what they are in my life.”
Ding. Ding. DING.
A life coach by the name of Thomas Leonard once said that “Clarity affords focus” and, believe you me, when it comes to dealing with other human beings, if you don’t get clear on where you stand when it comes to your interactions with them, you can very easily find yourself “focusing too much” on those who don’t deserve it and too little on those who absolutely do. And y’all, this lil’ PSA couldn’t be more relevant than when it comes to what I call “casual friendships.”
Let’s dig — and for some of us, dig our way out of — what it means to have a casual friend, so that you can get clear on if you really need those in your life…and if so…why?
Article continues after the video.
It Can’t Be Said Enough: Always Remember What “Casual” Means
There’s a reason why I decided to share two videos by mental health coach Isaiah Frizzle at the top and bottom of this article. It’s because a lot of what he shares in both of them complements a piece that I wrote for the platform last year entitled, “This Is Just What Purposeful Relationships Look Like.”
It’s the author M. Scott Peck who once said, “Until you value yourself, you won't value your time. Until you value your time, you will not do anything with it” and please believe that the older (and hopefully more mature) you get, the more you tend to see just how valuable — and fleeting — time is; and that is what plays a huge role in motivating you want to only involve yourself with people, places, things and ideas that will honor your time — and when something is casual? In my opinion, it’s highly debatable that it’s worth much of your months, days, hours, or even too many of your minutes.
The main reason why is addressed in an article that I wrote back in the day entitled, “We Should Really Rethink The Term 'Casual Sex.'” The gist? When it comes to relationships, “casual” is certainly not a favorite word of mine because I know what it means. Have mercy — why would you want to invest your time, energy, and emotions into something that is, by definition, apathetic, indifferent, careless, lacking emotional intimacy, and/or is without purpose?
I don’t know about y’all but that sounds like a complete and total crap shoot to me — especially if you are going to go so far as to consider this type of dynamic a true friendship (check out “Ever Wonder If A Friend Is Just...Not That Into You?,” “6 Signs You're About To Make A Huge Mistake In Making Them A Close Friend,” “5 Signs Of A Toxic Friendship That Is Secretly Poisoning Your Life,” “12 Friend Facts That Might Cause You To Rethink (Some Of) Your Own,” and “Less & Less Of Us Have Close Friends These Days. Why Is That?” ).
To me, when you decide to call someone “friend,” it means that they are loyal, reliable, consistent, trustworthy and willing to be there to support you to the very best of their ability — even if it’s inconvenient to do so sometimes (check out “Life Taught Me That True Friendships Are 'Inconvenient'”). How in the world can you expect that from something that has the word “casual” in it?
And you know what? That actually segues into my next point about casual friendships pretty darn well.
Ponder the Purpose “Casual Friends” Serve in Your Life
A couple of years ago, Verywell Mind published an article entitled, “How the 4 Types of Friendship Fit Into Your Life.” The four that it listed were acquaintances (which I actually don’t consider to be friends; check out “6 Differences Between A Close Acquaintance And An Actual Friend”), casual friends, close friends, and lifelong friends. After reading the piece, I think they consider casual friends to be the “pleasure” friends that I mentioned in the article, “According To Aristotle, We Need ‘Utility’, ‘Pleasure’ & ‘Good’ Friends.”
And although I certainly get that, I think my “cause for pause” is calling those people “friends” when they probably should be called something like an associate or possibly even a buddy instead. Why do I feel this way? Well, I’ve shared in other articles that I think social media has jacked up vocabulary words and their true meaning on a billion different levels.
Take “friend,” for example. Facebook had us out here calling everyone we connected to on their platform “friends” when some of them, we’ve never even spoken to before — and I personally think that influenced, affected and perhaps even infected our psyche to the point where we will call folks, both online and off, “friend” even when they haven’t earned it and/or who possibly don’t deserve it.
That said, do I think that we all could use lighthearted interactions that don’t go very deep and are filled with not much more than fun? Sure. However, if we were to move this over into a sexual thing — those types of people would probably be called a sneaky link, and there is nothing significant or substantial about ‘em. In fact, if anything pretty much automatically comes with an expiration date, sneaky links would have to be it.
And that’s kind of the point that I’m trying to make about a casual friend — so long as you know that the word “casual” is being used to describe them, while you may enjoy the people who fit that bill, they aren’t really anything that you can or even should fully rely on. Instead, take them for what they are and don’t really expect much more than that. Otherwise, you could be in for some profound levels of disappointment. And who wants that?
Final point.
How a Casual Friend Can Become a Huge Red Flag
I’m telling you, y’all gonna quit clowning Tubi. LOL. To me, the best way to describe it is it’s the Cricket of current streaming apps. What I mean by that is, back when Cricket (the cell phone service) first came out, people, like me, who used it service got incessantly clowned because it was seen as a bootleg provider. Now it’s owned by AT&T, and as someone who has rocked with them since I was in my 20s, I don’t have one regret for doing so. Cricket has always been good to me, chile.
And Tubi? Well, when you get a chance, check out CNBC’s article, “CEO at 33, Tubi’s Anjali Sud on success hacks she learned at Amazon, IAC on way to top of Fox streaming” — take note of the moves the streaming app is making and the quality of programming that is transpiring in real time.
Anyway, I find myself bringing up Tubi more and more in my content because it helps to amplify some of the points that I like to make. This time, it’s a movie that’s (currently) on there calledRight Man, Wrong Woman. If you haven’t seen it before, I don’t want to give too much of the film away. What I will say is that the main female character, she had a casual friend and then she had a close friend.
That casual friend—the one who liked to kick it all of the time—was a lot of fun; however, dealing with her came with a ton of semi-unforeseen consequences. Meanwhile, the close friend? She’s what the Aristotle article (that I mentioned earlier) would call the “good friend” because she tried her best to hold her friend accountable.
And really, it shouldn’t be a shock that the casual friend turned out to be a plum trip because if someone is loads of entertainment and pleasure and yet they are indifferent towards you, they make careless decisions around you and/or they don’t really make known the purpose for you being in their life other than to pass some time — where really do you and that person have to go past drinks after work or dinner on a rooftop restaurant from time to time? And if that is all that the two of you are doing, again, why are they deserving of the word “friend”?
Hmph and don’t get me started on the lack of reciprocity that typically transpires when it comes to dealing with people like this because, while they won’t mind you spending your coins on them, taking their calls in the middle of the night or listening to all of their issues — when it comes time for them to show up for you, they very well may gaslight you into thinking that you are being dramatic, clingy or “doing the most.” Why? Well, it’s mostly because the two of you never really established what the hell the both of you are to one another.
And so, while you’re somewhere taking them seriously, they are out here seeing you casually, and as much as it might hurt to hear, that doesn’t automatically or necessarily make them a bad person. You shouldn’t expect much where no clarity is involved. After all, casual is just that: CASUAL.
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I’m hoping that you can now see why I entitled this piece in the way that I did. It’s because a red flag is pretty much a warning, and to me, a casual friend is about as big of an oxymoron (again, to me) as casual sex is. Friends and sex are both too intimate to be seen or treated casually. Oh, but if you step out and take that risk, you could find yourself getting far more involved than the other individual ever wanted to go, because casual is how things have always been. “Friend” was simply to get you more mentally and emotionally invested. SMDH.
American columnist Walter Winchell once said, “A real friend is one who walks in when the rest of the world walks out.” A wise person once said, “One good friendship will outlive forty average loves." Former President Ulysses S. Grant once said, “The friend in my adversity I shall always cherish most. I can better trust those who helped to relieve the gloom of my dark hours than those who are so ready to enjoy with me the sunshine of my prosperity.” Does any of this sound casual to you? Yeah, me neither.
Again, I’m not saying that you shouldn’t have people in your life who aren’t on deep levels. I’m just saying that you might want to consider putting them into another category than friend, because what friends do for people? There ain’t nothin’ even remotely casual about it, sis. Not even a lil’ bit.
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